Bevin’s plan: No pensions for most future workers. Costly changes for current workers
They don’t have a bill to share with the public yet, and there still isn’t a date for a special legislative session, but Republican Gov. Matt Bevin and GOP legislative leaders on Wednesday unveiled a summary of their proposed long-term solution for Kentucky’s public pension crisis.
Bevin said today’s public retirees and employees would get to keep most of the benefits they expect, including defined-benefits pensions with payments guaranteed to last for the rest of their lives. And there would not be a “clawback” of cost-of-living adjustments from state retirees that pension consultants recommended in August.
Over the next three decades, he said, Kentucky will commit to paying off the tens of billions of dollars it owes in unfunded pension liabilities to school teachers and state and local government retirees with a “level dollar” funding model that fully covers costs, rather than the old model of relying on a percentage of the state’s declining payroll.
“Keeping the promise is really the crux of what we are doing here today,” Bevin said.
However, teachers and government workers would have to kick in 3 percent of their salaries to shore up their retiree health care funds — a de facto pay cut. Retired teachers would forfeit their cost-of-living adjustments for the next five years. Additionally, future retired teachers wouldn’t get a cost-of-living adjustment until five years after they retired.
Those parts of the proposal immediately drew protests.
“We’re concerned that that particular portion is not legal,” said Tim Abrams, executive director-elect of the Kentucky Retired Teachers Association. “And we hope we will get the opportunity to talk to the governor and legislative leaders about it.”
“We cannot support this plan, which is a further reduction of benefits,” said Louisville firefighter Brian O’Neill, a member of the Kentucky Public Pension Coalition. “A 3 percent pay cut to all employees to pay for benefits that were promised is unacceptable. Our firefighters took this job for less pay than they could get in the private sector because of the promise of a pension and good retiree benefits.”
The biggest change would be for the future: Teachers and government employees hired after July 1, 2018, no longer would get pensions. Instead, they would get defined-contribution plans, like a private sector 401(k) account, that they and their employers would contribute into, Bevin said.
Although Kentucky’s future teachers wouldn’t get pensions, they also wouldn’t be enrolled in Social Security, just as they aren’t now, Bevin said.
“Turns out they (teachers) don’t really want to participate in Social Security,” Bevin said. “So they’re not going to.”
As future teachers’ sole retirement income, the defined-contribution plan would let them invest up to 12 percent of their salary with a 6 percent employer’s match. Four percent of that match would come from the state government; two percent would come from school districts — a new expense for the districts, which do not currently contribute toward retirement benefits.
Future state and local government employees, who will be enrolled in Social Security, would be able to invest up to 9 percent of their salary with a 5 percent employer’s match.
For all public employees, a menu of investment options — most likely, mutual funds — would be made available, selected by the Kentucky Retirement Systems or the Teachers’ Retirement System of Kentucky, which are the state’s two major pension agencies.
Critics have warned Kentucky against moving its pensioned public employees to 401(k)-style accounts, arguing that senior citizens easily can outlive their savings, especially if their incomes were low or their investments didn’t perform well.
“For roughly the same amount of upfront cost from the employer, teachers would receive a significantly inferior benefit,” said Jason Bailey, executive director of the liberal-leaning Kentucky Center for Economic Policy in Berea. “Future Kentucky teachers will be among the few Americans without the security of any kind of defined-benefits (plan), since Social Security is a type of defined-benefits plan.”
But Bevin said Wednesday that Kentucky will be offering “a very, very good plan” to its employees.
“When you see the generosity of the employer match that the commonwealth of Kentucky is going to put into people’s retirement plans, you will be — I would encourage you to compare it to the one you have wherever you work. You will find that it will be a very, very good plan ... ,” Bevin said.
“As a guy who has worked in that world, I would take in a heartbeat the DC plan that we’re going to be rolling out over the alternative. I really would,” Bevin said. “It’s a better plan, it’s a richer plan in terms of what it will do for an individual at the end of a career.”
Most currently employed teachers and government employees will retain their defined-benefits pensions, with the exception of state employees hired after January 2014, who already are enrolled in “cash-balance” plans rather than pensions. Those so-called “Tier 3” workers will be rolled into defined-contribution plans next year, Bevin said.
Retirement age for current public employees wouldn’t change, Bevin said. But as of next July, they would face a choice after 27 years of service: Retire with your pension, or keep working but close the pension account and start contributing to a defined-contribution account. At present, some public employees work beyond 27 years, which boosts their pension benefits when they finally do retire.
Under the proposal Bevin shared Wednesday, teachers who have met the 27-year threshold next July would get three additional years to keep working and contributing toward their pensions — a one-time reprieve to avoid an exodus of teachers in 2018.
And the proposal would set new limits on how teachers and public employees can use their accumulated sick days to enhance their retirement benefits.
Groups representing teachers and school boards took a wait-and-see approach Wednesday, because all they had was a list of bullet points to review, not detailed legislation.
“The press conference this morning only gave us a small glimpse into what our futures might hold,” said Kentucky Education Association President Stephanie Winkler. “There is still no bill to comment on. We look forward to seeing the actual bill language and continuing our conversations with leadership.”
Kentucky Government Retirees, a Facebook-based advocacy group, objected to Bevin’s proposition, saying it appears to violate the inviolable contract rights of state retirees with “proposals to arbitrarily limit the accrual of benefits.”
“We will be conveying our opposition in our outreach to legislators throughout the review process,” said Jim Carroll, spokesman for the retirees group. “We hope that, in anticipation of the 2018 session, leadership will soon begin seriously considering revenue measures that will help address pension funding while upholding the legally secured rights of Kentucky Retirement Systems members.”
Bevin said he expects to call a special legislative session to approve a pension reform bill soon, but he does not yet have a date to announce. Lawmakers on hand Wednesday said the session should not last more than five days when it does happen.
The next regular session of the General Assembly begins in January.
State officials said they don’t yet have a price tag for the changes proposed to the pension systems, but they expect actuarial advisers for those systems to have cost estimates prepared by the start of a special legislative session.
State budget director John Chilton warned an oversight panel last month that the next two-year state budget would need $5.4 billion to pay down unfunded pension liabilities and keep pension checks flowing to retirees. It’s likely that figure could drop by several hundred million dollars if the pension proposals are adopted, state officials said.
Still, 2018 will be “a brutally difficult budget session,” Bevin said Wednesday. Lawmakers will have to find the money every year to paying the full actuarial recommended contributions to both of the state’s pension systems, he said.
“This is at least a $60 billion hole, and I think even there we’re being generous with some of the assumptions,” he said. “But let’s just say that it’s a $60 billion hole. That $60 billion hole is not going to be fixed $1.2 billion at a time and then we can think that we’re done.”
In lieu of Social Security, new teachers to get 401(k) acct where they can give up to 12% of pay with 6% match (4% state, 2% district). ^JC
— Bluegrass Politics (@BGPolitics) October 18, 2017
Should note: The 2018 cutoff for state workers only. Teachers can keep using sick leave in retirement calculations until July 2023. ^JC https://t.co/YmgOIpx57S
— Bluegrass Politics (@BGPolitics) October 18, 2017
More pension plan stuff: Sick leave credit no longer used for retirement eligibility after July 1, 2018. ^JC
— Bluegrass Politics (@BGPolitics) October 18, 2017
Plan would require most existing state and local workers to contribute extra 3% of salary for retiree health benefits. ^JS
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"Celebrate this. This is a good day for the workers of Kentucky," Bevin says, concluding pensions news conference. ^JC
— Bluegrass Politics (@BGPolitics) October 18, 2017
"You can go whenever you want, and you can take everything that you've earned," Bevin says. https://t.co/J5KduCiw4U
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Bevin says I understand why local governments want out of KRS. But they can't afford to handle pension debts on their own. ^JC
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Gov Bevin says CERS, the system that covers local governments within KRS, won't be spun off by pension bill. ^JC
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Gov Bevin makes quick mention of tax code changes to find additional revenue to help pay down tens of billions in pension debt. ^JC
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2018 will be "a brutally difficult budget session" for the Ky Leg to find the money to begin really paying down pensions, Bevin says. ^JC
— Bluegrass Politics (@BGPolitics) October 18, 2017
Bevin says teachers did not want to join the Social Security system, so they won't. They'll lose pensions and just get a 401(K). ^JC
— Bluegrass Politics (@BGPolitics) October 18, 2017
Gov Bevin says school teachers in future will rely on defined contribution accounts but WILL NOT be enrolled in Social Security. ^JC
— Bluegrass Politics (@BGPolitics) October 18, 2017
Special session on pensions will be called "as soon as we're ready," Gov Bevin says. No date yet. ^JC
— Bluegrass Politics (@BGPolitics) October 18, 2017
Bevin says he "would take in a heartbeat" the defined contribution plan the state is rolling out.
— Daniel Desrochers (@drdesrochers) October 18, 2017
"When you see the generosity of the employer match ... You will see that it is a very, very good plan," Bevin says of 401(k) plans. ^JC
— Bluegrass Politics (@BGPolitics) October 18, 2017
"Every single thing in this bill" fulfills the inviolable contract with public employees and retirees, Gov Bevin says. ^JC
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Bevin says the changes should improve the state's credit rating, which he says is huge for the business community.
— Daniel Desrochers (@drdesrochers) October 18, 2017
Bevin says structural changes from pension fixes will help Kentucky's credit rating and boost the state's economy. ^JC
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Gov Bevin says no emergency clause on pension bill, it won't go into effect until July 1, 2018, so people have time to digest it. ^JC
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Bevin says the law won't go into effect until July 1, 2018
— Daniel Desrochers (@drdesrochers) October 18, 2017
Robert Stivers says we GOP leaders have been briefing Democratic lawmakers to let them know what the pension plans have looked like. ^JC
— Bluegrass Politics (@BGPolitics) October 18, 2017
Stivers says plan stops defined benefits pensions for legislators, moves them into same defined cont plan as state workers at KRS. ^JC
— Bluegrass Politics (@BGPolitics) October 18, 2017
The bill will stop defined benefit plans for all legislators. They will be moved to a 401(K) plan.
— Daniel Desrochers (@drdesrochers) October 18, 2017
Robert Stivers says hazardous duty employees will retain the same retirement benefits they have now, in recognition of their jobs. ^JC
— Bluegrass Politics (@BGPolitics) October 18, 2017
Things stay the same for current and future hazardous employees.
— Daniel Desrochers (@drdesrochers) October 18, 2017
Stivers says pensions was the most complex and intricate problem he's had to deal with in years.
— Daniel Desrochers (@drdesrochers) October 18, 2017
Jeff Hoover says the 14,000 Kentucky teachers eligible for retirement now have "no rational reason" to bolt for the exits. ^JC
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Not every public employee would agree with this statement. ^JC pic.twitter.com/13UZhth5xL
— Bluegrass Politics (@BGPolitics) October 18, 2017
Jeff Hoover says future non-hazardous public employees and teachers will have to enroll in defined contribution accounts. ^JC
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Jeff Hoover says "basically no change" for current public retirees. ^JC
— Bluegrass Politics (@BGPolitics) October 18, 2017
Jeff Hoover says no clawback of COLA benefits for current state retirees or teachers, despite PFM Group recommendations. ^JC
— Bluegrass Politics (@BGPolitics) October 18, 2017
Jeff Hoover says current teachers will see no increase in their retirement age, no change in pension plans. ^JC
— Bluegrass Politics (@BGPolitics) October 18, 2017
Bevin says our pension plan will bring state pension systems to solvency in 30 years, which takes longer than we initially wanted. ^JC
— Bluegrass Politics (@BGPolitics) October 18, 2017
Bevin says pension plan will switch Kentucky to level funding formula that costs more front rather than old model of % of payroll. ^JC
— Bluegrass Politics (@BGPolitics) October 18, 2017
Bevin says bill requires full funding of the ARC. Says every retiree should be thrilled with this provision in the bill.
— Daniel Desrochers (@drdesrochers) October 18, 2017
Bevin says 2. Our pension plan requires full ARC payment every year and creates new funding formula, hundreds of millions more. ^JC
— Bluegrass Politics (@BGPolitics) October 18, 2017
Bevin says 1. Our pension plan will save pension systems and meet legal and moral obligations to teachers and government workers. ^JC
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Bevin says the pension solution will take around 30 years.
— Daniel Desrochers (@drdesrochers) October 18, 2017
Gov Bevin says we'll take you thru 10 highlights of what this state pension bill is and is not. ^JC pic.twitter.com/I3YKG1WSIm
— Bluegrass Politics (@BGPolitics) October 18, 2017
At 9 am, Gov Bevin and top lawmakers to reveal their plans to reshape state pension systems. Stay tuned. ^JC pic.twitter.com/8aqwbxPQuw
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This story was originally published October 18, 2017 at 9:09 AM with the headline "Bevin’s plan: No pensions for most future workers. Costly changes for current workers."